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Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.19 02:53:00 - [1] I cannot wait for Incarna! I find this devblog to be a sigh of relief, as I was beginning to doubt whether it would ever see the light of day. (assuming stations use full spectrum lighting ) I have done my share of pvp but my schedule is not what it once was. Trading and moving freight, a little planetary mining, some mission running, I have no issues with the game at all right now. I just want to offer CCP another perspective. I love this game (I just resubbed for another full year) and I have a huge grin on my face as I read 70 devs on Incarna!
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.22 14:36:00 - [2] Posting to confirm that some of us have been waiting a long time on Incarna, love the idea of 70 devs working on it, and hope CCP does not bow to pressure from people in this thread. angry posters: Bottom line is that if fixing eve means net subscriber growth of 20,000 over a year (forecast) and Incarna means net subscribers growth of 100k (forecast) then no amount of angry crying (and making wild assumptions about what it all means) will change the course of things.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.22 15:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Marcus Vorenius not angry at all - dissapointed. And it would not be the first time a forecast by Sales & Marketing went south If I had to pick a side, I would go with the one with data on subscriber trends. Not the one with a 'feeling' its the wrong direction
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.22 15:24:00 - [4] Edited by: Haven Wind on 22/07/2010 15:24:17 Originally by: Ban Doga I think there might be a huge gap in perception about what "working on EVE" means for CCP and the players. But it appears this difference is simply ignored and instead both sides just continue with "No, it's not", "Yes, it is", "No, it's not", ... I suspect its something like the following: CCP defines 'working on EVE' as: Relates directly to Eve universe, see Evegate, Novels, Incarna, Rocket fix. Angry Forum mob defines 'working on EVE' as: Relates directly to the thing I'm ****ed about.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.22 16:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Ebisu Kami Originally by: Haven Wind If I had to pick a side, I would go with the one with data on subscriber trends. Not the one with a 'feeling' its the wrong direction So you got the subscriber-numbers? Well, then go ahead and show them to us and prove your point. Seriously, read all the prior posts before you respond. I was clearly referring to CCP since they made the decision to allocate teams to Incarna, not me. Though I wouldn't mind having that power
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.22 17:09:00 - [6] Originally by: Ebisu Kami Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 22/07/2010 16:51:33 Originally by: Haven Wind Seriously, read all the prior posts before you respond. I was clearly referring to CCP since they made the decision to allocate teams to Incarna, not me. Though I wouldn't mind having that power Oh right, that's even better. CCP is always right, CCP never does anything wrong, CCP can't be the victim of bad marketing-decissions. All Hail ~~OCP~~ CCP! That's silly, now your just trolling. There isn't a company in the world that hasn't made a mistake. I just don't think incarna is one. I defend one feature and you imply I defend all CCP decisions... Childish arguement. But let's not derail the thread.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.22 18:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Ebisu Kami Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 22/07/2010 17:25:20 No, you're just missing the point. We're not here to shout Incarna away, we're here to beg for long-promised and dearly needed fixes to the game and focusing on these or at least dedicate a reasonable amount of ressources on these, instead of fancy clothing in space for the next 1.5 years, which you assume to be the only and correct option. I don't think I'm missing the point. You are advocating for the position that serves you best as a customer, and I'm doing the same. There is nothing wrong with that. Its just that we need to consider that CCP has most likely done a cost/benefit analysis which (presumably) considers customer relations and decided that Incarna gives the most benefits based on the dev team allocations we have been given. They could be mistaken in their calculations sure, but we forecast and budget because its the best we can do with the information available.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.22 19:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Cosmic Rainbow We're delving into philosophy here, but if they are doing that (forecasting and budgeting based on statistics and making decisions on developer allocation based on numbers) then that's one of the problems. Just to be clear - Im not against forecasting and budgeting - like many of you, a large part of my job is comprised of it, but basing your decisions solely on the numbers is erroneous. I did say that they 'presumably' considered customer relations. Though that point is entirely debatable given this thread. Truthfully this might be more of an execution issue.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.22 19:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Ebisu Kami Of course these numbers and the conclusion drawn are not perfect either, but CCP are the only ones, who actually have these detailed numbers, but they haven't released them as of yet. That's what we challenge them for: Transparency and a reinforced drive for quality, which is obviously very much appreciated by the players. I don't disagree with you with perhaps the exception of the flavor of the candy (or lack thereof). I do believe that Incarna will taste like rainbows and unicorns (medium rare please) I am an optimistic fellow, and I expect I will be pleased when Incarna is released. Perhaps this is where we agree to disagree and ride this thing out.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.22 21:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Ebisu Kami Well, bookmark this thread and check back here after this winter-expansion, the next summer-expansion and the (most likely) final Incarna-release in winter 2011 and I'm pretty convinced you'll have realized by then: They were right. It would not be the first time I was wrong about something, but I will take up your challenge, consider this thread bookmarked
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.23 02:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Ebisu Kami Edited by: Ebisu Kami on 23/07/2010 01:29:48 Originally by: Cergorach stuff Quote: stuff Quote: stuff Quote: stuff Quote: stuff Quote: stuff Quote: stuff more stuff Please please, stop chopping posts up. Give one well thought out, organized, response and people will be more willing to engage you in discussion. I will, personally, see to it that you are given +10 internet user points.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.26 03:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Dzajic Truly wonderful. Now that thread has degenerated into random trolling CCP can lock it up and forget about it, without ever giving a single proper answer. Yes everyone has "their" bug or balance issue they want CCP to look at, but that is only because all of EVE is broken to some extent. Only customers that CCP has right now and will have for next year and a half till Dust and Incarna go out are "spaceship flying" folks (who by the way consider that to be EVE), and no one can be happy at silly 18 months thing. Incarna players will supposedly want to undock at one time, if only to get to another station, and that will give them opportunity to see and judge the quality of spaceship parts of game. Even when talking about Dust, CCP will have to go back to PI and make it worth it enough that people bother hiring mercenaries from another game. you are everything that is wrong with this thread in that you purport to speak for people that you have no right speaking for. I am a current player that is happy with the current situation. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.27 07:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Nede* As for WoD...unless its another free pvp sandbox who thee cares? No way in hell it can stand up to the new thempeparks coin out there Thanks for making sweeping assumptions, I'm sure its crap, your a teal warthog, and I will drive a camel to work tomorrow. Quote:** btw , who wants players in eve who come to eve cause of incarna? personally i` dont and if they do i hope they go away after the trial I would love them, thanks for being wrong. ps. I've been here since 2003
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.27 14:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Malcanis 11 days since this devblog, and the ensuing player response. Still awaiting the TransparentÖ response with great interest. quoting oneself does not make you a tool.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.27 15:49:00 - [15] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Haven Wind Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Malcanis 11 days since this devblog, and the ensuing player response. Still awaiting the TransparentÖ response with great interest. quoting oneself does not make you a tool. Reading the original post might stop you looking like one. Don't be upset, I'm defending you here.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.28 13:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Haven Wind Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Malcanis 11 days since this devblog, and the ensuing player response. Still awaiting the TransparentÖ response with great interest. quoting oneself does not make you a tool.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.07.29 05:56:00 - [17] Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi CCP's continued silence in this thread is... deafening. hmm? I'm showing 82 posts by CCP. Silence and appeasement are two different things.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.08.05 06:15:00 - [18] Edited by: Haven Wind on 05/08/2010 06:18:20 Originally by: Malcanis 19 days since this devblog, and the ensuing player response. Still awaiting the TransparentÖ response with great interest. Haven's Law: any player who will quote or repeat himself verbatim more than thrice in a thread is a complete tool and trolling for attention. ps. posts have a time stamp, we don't need you to count the days for us.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.08.05 12:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Bomberlocks Personal insults don't help you to prove your point. I'm not exactly sure why it upsets you so much anyway. Care to explain? Certainly, if 6 pages of a 60 page thread are one dude repeating himself I find it annoying much like spam. Counting the days does not amount to content.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.08.05 12:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Malcanis That's an interesting law, but as written it does not apply to the post you quoted. PS Thanks for quoting me despite worrying that your law might rebound on you too. Great, so if I take out 'verbatim' then it works! glad we agree on something!
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.08.06 06:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Bomberlocks If that's the effect it has on you, then I think Malcanis is achieving his goal, which is to make the developers aware that we haven't given up on this thread and would still like an official response. I can't speak for Malcanis, but the comment made elsewhere that we (no, probably not you) feel ignored by the developers who come out en masse to post in "lol how long ur playing eve?" is pretty accurate. I think the developers are acutely aware of the situation. You need to concern yourself with the corporate executives if you want a response at this point. I'm quite sure the silence right now is a result of escalation of the situation. That being said, your likely to get the company line and nothing more. That is the result of this particular player outrage (not you specifically but others in this thread). Not more transparency, but more CRM.
Haven Wind	Posted - 2010.08.08 04:20:00 - [22] Hey guys, one concise response. Stop chopping stuff up into little bitty quotes. leave 2003 internet etiquette where you found it.

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